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Pumping Out Slop
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Oh, Quinn. Sorry. I didn't know if you wanted me to say it or if you were gonna say it.
SPEAKER_03I mean, usually you say it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes I say it, sometimes I don't, dude. Every name.
SPEAKER_03Uh we are back remote. Actually, this is a quick turnaround for this one. We're recording it the night before this comes out, which is fun.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, hell yeah. But yeah, Gwen, how you been?
SPEAKER_01I've been alright, dude. Just I don't know. Just doing whatever I normally do. Nothing at all.
SPEAKER_03Whatever you normally do. We've been working hard on a script. How's any massive updates that we wish to share about James and posts at this point? I mean, not really posts in the festival circuit.
SPEAKER_01Um, nothing yet. I start hearing back any day. So that's good.
SPEAKER_03So hopefully we'll start having some good news for you guys.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just waiting.
SPEAKER_03Um if there is no news, then either we haven't heard back yet or there is no good news to share.
SPEAKER_01Right. But um no, I would say if we didn't get like selected or something.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but like we, you know, it's uh more more so it's we're just doing the Festival Circuit of chains and working on the next project, which isn't a quick progress. It's uh because you know, obviously there's it's not like we sat here and had a script on deck, right? I mean script writing, I mean Quinn have both written a feature. Um I'm sure critics would say would talk about the quality of the feature. We're not sitting here, we're not uh Spielberg or Tarantino. However, we're both feature writers, which I always like to say this makes puts me closer to Spielberg than you who have not written a feature. You know what I mean? Like it means that we were at least in the same category. Same that I always I used that because I think I was talking to somebody who is down themselves, and you know, the comparison was other. I said, Hey, yeah, remember though, like you have to think about what you've done, and again, it's that like I think it's referred to like a bass NBA player. It's like like it's a dude who's like known to be like a shitty NBA player. He said, I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me. You know what I mean? Like I would be shitt compared to all of them. Well, for sure. I mean, and you know I'm better than you. And not saying that what we do is shit, I'm saying as two people who executive produced to feature film and written feature films, DPE to feature film, gas feature films, and all the things that we've done on top of that, yeah, that makes us and honestly an authority, especially more so than people who haven't done it. And that is not me sitting there knocking people who haven't done it yet, but that's just where our our qualifications is that we've done it, you haven't, potentially. And if you have, but hasn't gotten made yet, then we are a step closer. Yeah, we're a step closer, we're a step higher on the pyramid that is the film industry. Which means you don't go punching down. It's just when I sit there and say that writing a feature is not a quick process. Someone sitting at their home who's never written a feature might be like, why not? Just they make Marvel movies every two years, it can't be that hard. I you know, it's hard.
SPEAKER_01I mean, sure. I mean, you can pop I mean you can pump stuff out pretty quick, just depends on how good you want it to be.
SPEAKER_03And I mean, I actually, funny enough, along those lines of that, I actually worked a store, uh, a feature. I won't do into specific details, but basically the whole idea of this company is they churn features motherfucking out. And their whole point is that like it reminds me, the type of movies that they make reminds me of like the stuff that you'd used to see on like Amazon Prime before Amazon Prime Prime video got like kinda okay. You know, it's like schlocky stuff that you wouldn't even see on the sci-fi channel, just like, or like stuff that like, you know, your uncle who bought stuff at the you know the flea market, a TV at the flea market that was it wasn't Star Wars, it was space conquest, and it's just a you know I mean like it's just some shitty, shitty schlock. And it was kind of fun because we did it, and like the crew, they basically track like the DP, the the uh producers, the director, like they've done 20 of these features this year, this calendar year, and this was when I worked on it, which again, I'm not gonna say specific dates, but it was sometime in the last six months, right? And they had done 20 features already that already in that calendar year.
SPEAKER_01But how do they turn them out so fast?
SPEAKER_03Like there's multiple They shoot them in like a week. They'll shoot the entire feature in a week. What two two takes a shot? What? Four total lights.
SPEAKER_01Okay, but here's okay, but are is it like AI slop? I mean, I hate to say that, but like, dude, how are you turning out?
SPEAKER_03I mean, like, dude, scripts one that they had that was I got they they one is that they the scripts actually weren't horrific. Apparently, they'll sit there and they'll I was talking to the producer, and from my understanding of the business model, and by all means, who knows, they might never hire me again, but they didn't pay a ton, so I'm not like gonna lose sleep over it. They might not have hired me anyway. But basically, their whole idea is that um they'll buy someone's script because some people they write a script, they just want their shit to be made at the end of the day, they just they just want if you were makeup a situation. This is not a real based off of anyone real. If you if you see yourself in the story, I am sorry. Let's say you are from Timbook 2, right? In the middle of nowhere, you write a feature script, you just want your shit to be made. That's it. That's the end of the story. You want to sell it, you want it made. You sell it to this company, they're like, we'll make this shit. They go to they they're like, go buy your script, five grand, but we're gonna make it. Great, you just want your shit made. You you don't you have no not that you don't have the lesions when you Oscar, but you think that you getting a script sold is the pinnacle, right? You sell your script. It's a script that's a probably a D minus to a D on a good day. It's kind of a very cheesy script. Let's say their script is about a cop that uncovers a cop that's trying to prove himself on the force, and he goes after a drug lord, whatever. This company will sit there and take that and they'll be like, Alright, we're gonna cast non-stag actors, we're gonna hire an indie crew, we're gonna shoot it in five days for less than fifty thousand dollars, and that's it. And we're gonna get what we can for that. We're gonna shoot 30 scenes a day. That was the day I was on it was 30 scenes.
SPEAKER_01Well, okay, we're not in a we're not gonna gloss over 30 scenes, dude. How the fuck do you but how do you do 30 scenes in one day?
SPEAKER_03Like they sit there and they sat there and they're like most of the scenes were in one teeny, teeny room, right? Like it's again, I'm not gonna go specifically about the sh about the shit. Yeah, no, no, you don't have to, but like I'm not dragging nobody, but this is a room that was maybe four foot by three foot, right? With windows. So they had an ADC and a 400X, and another ADC, and a quasar four foot tube, and that was it. That's that's all she wrote for that. They had plenty of aperture bulbs and stuff, but like that's it. That's all they did for lights. They sat there and the cameras are shot, like they took the glass out of these windows and they shot that way through it, and they and then you know, 30 scenes, eight of them were in that location, and then the next one is a room that's you know eight foot by ten foot. Quickly turn around, have it already kind of set deck, didn't really do much set decking wise. You move the lights around, bada bing, bada boom, you did that. One scene is in like a crawl space, you shoot that, one scene is you know what I mean. Like, and then you have another six scenes in another single-year location. And again, you're doing two takes each, and you and they're shooting three cameras for two cameras. So they're sitting there and they're like, We got so every take, they already have two angles of it, and they'll sit there and they'll be like, Okay, we're gonna get two angles on the master, and two angles on a solo, two angles on a solo, that's it. Move on. If they didn't get it, they didn't get it. I mean say like if the actors are like, What? If they didn't get it, they didn't what if what if it's like a main-saying like if the if the actors fucked up the scene? Literally the director is like, it's fine. Like, if the actor sat there and they were like, you know, if the line was saying, you know, I have a Diet Coke, if they set it right at one of those tanks, they'll just use that. They don't kill you. Like, that's the extent of literally the director left.
SPEAKER_01That makes my skin crawl.
SPEAKER_03He had a flight at like 6 p.m. So he dipped. We kept going till nine. He dipped at four.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck?
SPEAKER_03Because he said, like, they everyone who's doing they know that's what I was like, I'm not using specifics because like they knew they're not making cinema. That was the whole point. And like the D key was like, he liked working with this particular director because he knew what this movie was. He knew this was gonna be some schlock.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so everybody's on the same page. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03And then when everyone's on the same page, it's like you get the best out of the situation, but we are all in agreement that we're not making an Oscar-winning film, we're not even gonna make a film that's gonna win a telly. We're making a film that's gonna be thrown, put in some package deal and being bought and be on direct to be. You know what I mean? Like, this is not you know that that's that was one of those things, like I and those scripts, I'm sure, as you said earlier, which is where we got onto this, and I knew a company that did churn this shit out, is that I could see them being like, all right, let's churn out a script, get a get a thing going, and let's move on. You know, like if the actor wanted another take, they do another take, but otherwise they're like, We got 30 scenes to shoot today, we're moving on. I mean, yeah, as long as you like everybody knows kind of going in, like what the by the way, they had incredibly talented crew, like everyone on all levels were incredibly talented. It's just the company at large is just like this is what we're doing. That's it. You know what I mean? Like, we're we're turning this shit up. And so I'm sure there are some people that don't care. Yeah. Because again, if you think about this as like as a business, like you think about the dollars to dollars, the film industry as a business, there is something to be said about prioritizing like profits. You know what I mean? And being like, okay, let's say they know that this film based off of the last 20 that they made is gonna make 40 grand. They'll shoot it for 25 so that they make a profit. You know what I mean? And that scales up, and they're just gonna make 80 grand to shoot it for 45. And then there is something about that, because you know there is one person who I don't particularly like he and was complaining about how it's impossible to make money on indie filmmaking. Which is true. I feel like a lot of people, indeed, for a lot of people, indie filmmaking is the poor it's an expensive portfolio list. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like at a certain point. I think there was one of these things, I think you can make money indie filmmaking. Like a whole company. I was just talking to a mentor of mine, Charlie, about this. They uh made Megan, and then they made that film about Tolkien, and then they made they just bought uh Coyote versus Acme. They had a reason why that film got distributed.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it's like red something? Or uh No, is it Studio M? Studio Oh, maybe, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03But basically, Studio M is I mean look let me look at this up, but basically they're all thinking that they're an indie production company and they buy up other interesting things. Now, my I'm looking at this thing, and not that I don't believe Charlie here's this is Bloomhouse. Is it Atomic Monster? Maybe that's what I'm thinking.
SPEAKER_01Uh I don't think so. I don't think they bought it. Somebody some some independent company did buy Coyote vs. Acme. I remember reading that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um which by the way is doing apparently very well. I saw some people saying that it's ass, and I saw some people saying that's doing very well. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how the movie's doing.
SPEAKER_01I mean, everything that I've heard is very positive.
SPEAKER_03Uh I'm looking now. I know this is probably riveting.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, I was just gonna bring up. Have you heard of this? Maybe you can look it up while you're looking up stuff on there. This company called Angel Studios.
SPEAKER_03They're kind of they're coming out just talking about Angel Studios the other day.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so they're coming out with a whole bunch of movies randomly this year, and it seems to be very divisive amongst people in the film.
SPEAKER_03Well, isn't isn't the whole thing maybe I'm wrong about this, but is this isn't this the one that's like the super lit religious something like that, yes.
SPEAKER_01It's very but like they just kind of keep churning out stuff, and it's not necessarily obviously it's feature films and it's in the theaters, like good for them. Like, obviously, if you have a chance to work for them.
SPEAKER_03I'm looking at their list of in theaters now. Runner is in theaters on 9-11.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so they have like runner one called like Hershey about the Hershey Chocolate Founder. Oh uh, they have a couple other ones. Um The Birth of Christ, Drummer Boy.
SPEAKER_03Uh here, I'm looking young. Oh, they did the Young Washington and it did Animal Farm.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like they're behind like some like the AI stuff.
SPEAKER_03And uh, I know Young Washington, isn't that fully AI? Yeah, so they're so people are like they're just turning out like AI slop and like crazy is that solo mio I saw on TikTok on semi- is that was that one like supposed to be kind of good?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I I I haven't heard of one positive thing about this company.
SPEAKER_03Um I've heard of yeah, I don't know now like looking at these. Are they all useful King of Kings, David?
SPEAKER_01It doesn't seem like something it's very niche, I guess. Kind of to your point, it's like they know what they are and they know and they know what they're doing, which is totally fine.
SPEAKER_03I bet you, I bet you I was a betting man, and I know these uh types of folk well enough. They make a movie like Runner because they think that the mud the prophets are gonna be funding their next five Bible movies. You know what I mean? Like, I think they like that's their quote unquote deal with the devil because I'm sitting here and like they have a weird mix of like his only son after death, which these are all like these look like Bible movies. You know what I mean? Like these look very religious. The King of Kings, uh David. And then they sit there and make the brink of war, which is like usually when you see a company that's like only religious stuff, uh you wouldn't see them make like a Hershey.
SPEAKER_01No, I just you know I I just don't get the company at all from from what I've looked into and so on and so forth. But yeah, from what I've been seeing, people are like not very happy with them and and just like the chair, how do these people get money to just produce junk?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so the person I talked to might have been misinformed because I'm seeing this might have been a couple companies, like maybe he these aren't is a chair in entertainment. The basically yeah, there was one company that their whole thing is that when they started, they sold shares, and their whole idea is they're gonna make and distribute movies by by the their investor uh hang on production company that sold Ketchup Entertainment. Which one?
SPEAKER_01Ketchup Entertainment bought Coyote vs. Acme or just distribution rights from Warner Brothers for 50 million dollars.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I want to make sure that's this is with the same company.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, they're the ones that bought bought the distribution rights and put it out, basically.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that I knew I knew that, but I'm just saying the people who had there's one production company that whatever, it doesn't matter. Yeah, is it Cinnaverse? Chinnigum. Chin, yeah, this is the one I'm thinking of, the one who made the Tolkien. So Cine Digm. Um so in 2026, a company started where they sold a ton of shares at $2 to raise capital, and the whole idea is that they're gonna be making movies. They they're like an independent movie, like we're gonna make movies that are people who fund us want to see and that people want to see. And they made this Tolkien one, which is I think the quote unquote most famous movie. I'm looking at their page now.
SPEAKER_01Um, not that I'm Kevin's not actively caring about this, and it's okay, guys. You know what? Some days we can't all care. I'm just kidding. Kevin, I'm joking. I'm just joking.
SPEAKER_03No, it's I don't know. Not only I was stuck down a rabbit hole. You know, you get like a trying to figure what the fuck out, but Ketchup Entertainment is the one that bought I don't know Ketchup Entertainment. I think they're literally is it just kind of they have a bunch of shit coming out. Uh yeah, I think nothing really seems they they have a couple Looney Tunes stuff, actually.
SPEAKER_01Probably bought it from Warner Brothers. Actually, I kind of wait. I think did Ketchup Entertainment actually do the whole film? I think they did all of the animation in the film. If I yeah, I think their studio did all the animation for for the whole movie, so that maybe they just bought the whole film from Warner Brothers. I don't know. I mean, 50 million isn't a uh light load, you know? That's a lot of money, but also very cheap for a film because the movie's made over like a hundred million dollars. Like they've already made their money back for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean I heard that it's apparently the most successful um like Looney Tunes movie ever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think more than Space Jam is.
SPEAKER_03Good for them. You know what I mean? I'm happy that movies like that get a second chance at Second Life. But no, I probably did circling back. I had heard of Angel um fractions. I know some people I also I also heard of because it's fucking uh they did that Young Washington thing, and it's so AI. You see people it it's kind of sucks that you see some of these companies just leaning into the AI bit. I'd rather them lean into like the company I work for, I'm just like we're gonna churn shit out, and that's the way we go. You see you see so many companies now just leaning into the AI bit, or they're using AI, even if they won't publicly say it, it's true. And how do I know that? Because we're fucking working on set and you occasionally hear people say shit. But like using AI to get the movie over that last hump. So, like you know, or like for instance, the one that was written about in the cinematographer magazine was there's that movie with Tom Hanks where it's all in one room.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's called here.
SPEAKER_03So here in the background. So the background when they have like it all changed and all the dates and everything changed, they didn't publicly really go into this, but they used AI and they basically to make it so you to not hire 50 VFX artists to sit there and do all the changes, they hired like a team of five, they down resed it, they shot they did it all the graphics to like seven twenty P and then they used AI to up res it.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Um that was Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Like that's all like Um I mean, look at it is in the cinematographer. Which I don't read all the time.
SPEAKER_01Uh we look it up, so you know, you gotta I would love to like interview somebody that's like very for AI and filmmaking. Um Yeah, here it is.
SPEAKER_03Telling to use a real-time generative AI tool called Metaphysics Live, the digitally agent DA, which which we knew about that, but then they also used one uh the street production. Yeah, this is a very far past traditional time-suing makeup applications. There's another one that was for just the background, and they've written down a whole article about an cinematographer. Maybe again, I yeah, data mapping. So it's like they did all that shit and they and that's a Tom Hankson. I mean, that's a relatively well.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you this. I mean, how do you feel about because I mean obviously de-aging, unless you're I mean, I think most D-aging, and somebody can probably correct me, but is all AI, like they run it through a machine and it basically paints a younger version of their face over their own face or something like that.
SPEAKER_03Well, I've I discussed not the aging. My real first off, and this is gonna be one of the many Kevin out-of-pocket statements that I make on this on this podcast and on this show. If you are old, right? Yeah, age gracefully, call it a day, pack it up, start planning the funeral. You know what I mean? Like, I mean in a sense where it's like it's hard. The Irishman, the Irishman. We did not, and that's what I think the most of like the de-aging it used in ways that piss me the fuck off.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it looked really bad.
SPEAKER_03It looks really bad. You're still using an old ass fucking actor, like Robert De Niro.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when he's kicking a dog, when he's kicking the guy out of like it's like right in the beginning of like the film, spoiler alert if you haven't seen it, but he's like kicking like a shop owner, and it just looks so awkward because obviously Robert De Niro is like 80 something years old and he doesn't he can't move like he's yes 40.
SPEAKER_03And listen, while sit there and say it is impressive, I will sit there and agree that some of this technology in a vacuum is impressive. It is neat that you can do that. You know what? I'm sure there's some practical things that are gonna be really interesting. Like, for instance, if you guys as people used to sit there and throw photos of themselves and to these Snapchat tools and make themselves look old, it's funny, it's fun, it's a bit. What I don't like is you cast younger actors, right? And then have those old men, those legends, play themselves as they're older, and then whatever you can do with makeup, fine, de age them there. I'm against using AI to massively DH, or also I hate like Star Wars and Disney is the biggest, the biggest people credit, people I hate the most about this stuff, is um bringing back dead people, leak for each other. Yeah, that's weird. I don't like that either. In the Flash movie, but like Carrie Fisher after she died, having her in Star Wars, and then bringing the guy who played Tarkin in the original ones back for Rogue One.
SPEAKER_01It's just but okay, so but is that is that AI or is that just like CGI?
SPEAKER_03Because I know like I'm against the CGI. I am also I mean you you had to use some pr for Carrie Fisher to he had some some of her lines again, but like part of the whole issue of her being so weird in those last couple movies that she died halfway through filming, I think the second one. So it's like they used different cuts of her. I'm against the like, for instance, you know, the Mandalorian TV show, they de-age Mark Hamill and they have his old ass shambling around playing the character, and then they de-age him, which all this de-aging stuff is all basically AI.
SPEAKER_01So the only thing I I will say not that I'm for AI first and foremost, want to make that clear. But if you watch the new Indiana Jones movie, not that it was great, um, but the beginning of it, obviously, that's a de-aged Harrison Ford. Um they I thought they did that very well. It looks sometimes pretty good, not always perfect. But you know what they did? They they hid his face in like the shadows a lot, so then you didn't really need to see him.
SPEAKER_03Well, my thing is, and some people, you know, they wouldn't go, they hate it. If we're gonna be leaning into these legacy roles and these legacy characters, right? That's the thing that we're doing because we can't make any fucking content nowadays. If we're gonna be doing more data gems, Marvel's legitimate till we all die, it's gonna be more fucking Star Wars slop, is gonna be all the shit, right? Yeah, let the fucking recast them. Let James Bond the shit. You know what I mean? We don't sit there, we're not de-aging Sean Connery and bringing him back for the dead to play the new James Bond and fucking Skyfall. We moved on to Daniel Craig, and now the whole issue is who's gonna replace Daniel Craig as the next James Bond, and there's like you know, 50 odds some people that be like trying to pick between. My thing is move on, sit there and you do that shit. If for instance, I would take Marvel into consideration, Chadwick Bozeman playing Black Panther. Great, recast him. You know why you should just recast a character? Is because if you want to build on the legacy of the character, right, of Black Panther, or let's say Luke Skywalker or Indiana Jones, this is fucking fiction, it's fantasy. Like actually Lord of Amazon and Lord of Rings, which I hate giving Amazon any credit, they're making that Hunt for Gollum TV show. And the guy who played Aragorn, who's basically the lead, secondary lead of all those movies, if he's the only non-Hobbit lead, he refused to come. He was like, I'm not coming, I'm too old. He said he's like, I'm not gonna come back and play Aragorn, so they've recasted him. Which is like, just do this do that. It's we are playing pretend fucking anyway.
SPEAKER_01Because people are so in their panties when it comes to certain things, like Chadwick Bozeman, dude. You know what that's gonna be like. Um, I know.
SPEAKER_03I also think that fucking Q Jackman, fucking hang the shit up, dude. You're no longer Wolverine. You've had 12 send-offs, you're done. It's just because they're bringing Wolverine back. Go fuck yourself. You're it's done. You're too, you don't he doesn't want to do it. But like, yes, you throw enough money at it, anyone will fucking do it. Like, let Ian McKellen fucking retire. This old fucking dude, this old gay icon is out here fucking like you're gonna have to play Magneto again. Like, this dude is literally in his like late 80s. Listen, he's 87. Oh my god. Listen, I love David Kellan, he's fucking Gandalf. He is he's done so much, so much good in the world. He's a knight, but like he is a gay icon. But you know what I mean? Like, this fucking let him stop.
SPEAKER_01At least Well, one the problem is one, these people don't retire, and then two, everybody would like as soon as you heard somebody's gonna replace the character that we've known the common love. Oh, they're never gonna do it right, they're never gonna be the you know, how dare they? How so then it's just like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
SPEAKER_03So that means that his ass is officially back. His nine-year-old man is gonna be running around playing Magneto again.
SPEAKER_01You know what? Let him get his money, let him receive that check.
SPEAKER_03As a fan of Ian McCallan, as a huge fan of Ian McCallan, I like him in almost everything he's ever in. Love it for him. Love him getting that Disney bag. Fuck Disney. My issue, this all boils down to we talked about this in one of the very, very first podcast episodes. There's no longer, with the death of DVDs, there is no longer an actual way to group to groom young talent in the acting industry. And people like Matt Damon, and as much as people like to, you know, make fun of Bruce Willis doing a bunch of shitty movies towards the end of his career, those shitty movies, those movies that you would chir that you churt out in a week, you know what I mean? But not really necessarily those, but those movies that used to be between, you know, a million to twenty million dollars to make. He's Manchester by the Seas, and Tucker and Dale vs. Evil, and so many other these, like this middle of the tier movies that used to go to Blockbuster and be like, oh, this is neat. I'm gonna watch, I'm gonna watch this shit, and all of a sudden, you know, you're watching uh Lethal Weapon or something. You're watching something that isn't like it's not, you know, the popcorn blockbuster that Jurassic Park or Lord of the Rings and Spider-Man. Like, you know what I mean? That used to be like when we were growing up or Star Wars. It is a middle-of-the-pack thing where because I was actually I was just watching that movie Snowden, and what's the name of the actor who's leaving?
SPEAKER_01Joseph Gordon Levitt.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. What the fuck ever happened to Joseph Gordon Levitt? Like, I haven't seen him in the movie. Like, there's that.
SPEAKER_01Hollywood kind of like, I think, like blacklisted him. I think something happened with him, and uh basically he got the boot.
SPEAKER_03I'm not defending Jordan Govern-Levitt. I'm not on his side, whatever the fuck he did. My issue is that there's a lot of act, there's like we have that generation of him, Robert Patterson, like that gen of got people who like were doing a ton of indies and that middle tier, and then that tier of movie just died. And so now there's like this big gap between like we still think like I still subconsciously think of like Robert Patterson as a young actor. I mean he's in his fucking mid to late 30s. He's no longer a young if he's he might even be fucking 40 at this point.
SPEAKER_01I think he's like 38 or something. But um, yeah, no, he's 40.
SPEAKER_03He is 40 on the year. So that's what I'm saying is that he I still like people still think that this is like a young rising star. No, he is this is the point when he was 40, like Leonardo Captain when he was 40, was this is that's inception. You know what I mean? Like that's supposed to be the peak of takeover the industry from the generation above him, and there's no one after Robert Patterson's generation. There's a huge gap of like one to two stars, and Tom Allen might be the best of the crop, and he looks like shit compared to all those guys.
SPEAKER_01I just think two things have happened now. One, where do people find stars? Where do these talent agencies find stars? Obviously, there's a bunch of people trying to become actors, but most studios or producers want people with names, so they're gonna look on like YouTube or like TikTok or people that already have clout. No, like that's just like the reality. Um, you know, and then also that being said, all of these like big time people or whatever are already cast in these superhero movies or like legacy films that like they're not gonna recast, they're never going to recast, like they're never gonna recast Spider-Man again. I'd be shocked if they, you know, Tom Holland says no, I'm not gonna do it, and they're like, Alright, well, we're rebooting Spider-Man again. Like, they've done it three different times now. It's time to hang it up if he's done. Let the character go. But like Yeah, there's a gap in between.
SPEAKER_03I'm looking at IMDBs. Yeah, American male actors under 40. This has been updated relatively recently, updated nine months ago. Okay. So number one, everyone knows number one is gonna be Timothy Chalamet. Number one guy.
SPEAKER_02Sure.
SPEAKER_03His second, this list has the second best. These are the rest of them, the next four are all Stranger Things actors who have openly said that I think are all kind of ass. It's Caleb McLaughlin, who I think is good. I think he's solid. He's actually ranked number three. Number two is Gaton Matazaro, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03He apparently has a new movie, there's a new movie out, but apparently it's not good.
SPEAKER_01I know. I I I here's my thing with these Stranger Thing actors. They should have been making moves while they were on the show, and they haven't been. So I just don't see their I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Speaking of Angel Productions, he was in Animal Farm.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_03He was in Animal Farm, and he was in the pizza movie. This that's the new one that I know. It's called the pizza movie.
SPEAKER_00Oh god.
SPEAKER_03Noah Schnapp, which people think he's ass. Joe Carey, who he did good, but you don't see people banging down his door for roles. Then we got Alex Wolf, Nat Wolf, Ainsley. These are all then these are a bunch of relatively no-name people. And like even it's a dude from the Fault in our Stars in number eight. Like, you know what I'm saying? Is that there's like there is a fucking Glenn Powell's here. You know, he just he he's on here. I know some people like him, some people don't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But then Anthony Ramos from In the Heights, Jeremy Allen White, who's who's the type of dude that back when we were younger would have just been a TV star, like Kit Harrington or something like that. You know what I mean? Like he would have just been a TV, a TV dude, and now he's becoming like a leading role because there's no one. Well there's Jack Quaid, who's fine. I'm just saying there's like there's a there is a it feels like we're in a desert of young up-and-coming actors, and as I look at these lists, and the fact that like none of these people are household names, or the biggest one. I don't know why he's ranked so low on this. This has to be racism, is fucking Michael B. Jordan not being number one on this list, is crazy to me.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I think it just has come down to like what movies are being made, and most of them like they don't need new actors, like they don't need rising actors. How many, how many new movies do you really see that it's like you know, a brand new like action star or something, or like whatever? No, it's the same bullshit that we get fed every year, and then the one or two indie movies that do come out that are actually decent are gonna use Timothy Chalamet or are gonna use somebody with some name's obsession that chick is now like popping off, and people like want her casted in everything because it's so hard to see like honest to God, good talent.
SPEAKER_03That's like I mean, she's 25 years old, she's my age, she's actually a year younger than me, and she's now everyone wants her to be cast in everything. They want her to make her, you know, rogue and spider-man.
SPEAKER_01But see, I think I think she's just gonna go downhill of that superhero shit, which is sad. Like, it's just isn't she gonna be in like X-Men and shit? And I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're we're in a we're just in a horrible time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like ther there is just such a and maybe because there's only like one or two, or one really, if you really only think of Marvel, like constant pushing of new talent, quote unquote new talent, is the only like big play in town is Disney. And I feel like maybe that's also why we're younger. There were so many more opportunities for a big role in a series, right? Like, I mean, let's think of like the early 2000s. You had Lord of Rings had just wrapped up, which had gotten some people to start to their start of their roles. You had the Spider-Man movies that just started to come out, or had just came out, Star Wars prequels are going on, and we're casting people that were good but weren't relatively like household names. You had Narnia coming out, you had X-Men coming out, you had uh this was past the Indiana Jones times, but you had like one Indiana Jones and would come out. Like, so you had, I guess, more by different studios, and there was more competition. I guess we go we go back to the age old capitalism is the way to run society, is because since there was more competition, even in that play, right? Because think about how, you know, Kevin McGuire became a massive actor after Spider-Man. But then you also had, you know, uh Harry Potter when we're schooling at the same time. So then you get you get all those kids end up being decently decent big names, even now. People or you think of Harry Potter, love him, hate him, whatever. The main three kids one of them that's refused to act again, and one of them, Emma Watson's now like an activist. But um Yeah. Yeah, you had you had multiple of these names churning out, and maybe that's because like they were casting young and they got older, or you had to cast these like young adult people who are in their 20s, and they were playing roles that threw them in the massive spotlight. Um, I don't know. It just is like in this, I think death of having competition and it's all just one company. Yes, it's that is I think the biggest thing that like that compounded with there's no just other ship being made because I feel like every production is now funneled into these monopolies of Disney, Warner Brothers, and Sony at this point. I don't even know if Sony is really in the game. It's just really Warner Brothers and Disney. Yeah, Paramount's owned by like Paramount's kind of given up.
SPEAKER_01I mean, Paramount makes stuff, but obviously, like they make like they're now leaning into their streaming thing.
SPEAKER_03Like, I mean, they're like, they're gonna make that the spin-off of the office that they're calling the paper or whatever the fuck. They're like doing other shit. Like even there, yeah, John Krasinski, the guy from the office, Jim from the office, yeah, who became like an action lead for a for a beat there. And then he went and he was in like he used to just have so much more. Like, even take Steve Krell from the office, like, really got his household name in, and then he went to did Anchorman and all those stuff with Will Farrell. It's just you lose there's less shit. There's it's not even if there's less quality shit. Because I do think there's actually a better quality, there's less trash. Like, you know, TV would used to be like you have to throw some shit on. You're watching season 30 of NCIS fucking graze anatomies on the fucking 40th, 40th season of this goddamn.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's just it it these companies and businesses want things that they know they're gonna make money. That's what it boils down to. It's more of a risk when there's not as many companies, and these companies are like, well, fuck it, like we'll just make Avengers uh butt-lickers 48. Yeah. You know, like it's like, oh, like people know like are gonna go just because it's the Avengers name.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna make another Game of Thrones spinoff. We're gonna make yeah. So like it just sucks. You know, I'm we I'm I introduced my girlfriend, she didn't watch as much as much like like they weren't TV and movie movie people, really. You know what I mean? Like they didn't watch as much, like they were they did the Harry Potters like every year, and they did like I mean on ABC family had Harry Potter, they watched those, and they would uh watch like Gilmore Girls and stuff, but they didn't like go watch it, like the OG it, the you know, the right for TV fucking VHS thing, and they didn't watch um the Goonies and fucking like I was sitting here watching the 13th Warrior and all this stuff when I was younger. You know what I mean? Just like, you know, having a good old time, a little my little nerd self watching all this shit. And so we were watching, I was showing her The Wire, which is a film that was shot in the Baltimore area, and she's loving it. And she's like, How have I never heard of Wire Mike first off? The wire's gas. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it, let alone that like we know basically everyone in the crew who made it. It is unironically like one of the best shows of television made. Um, and Michael B. Jordan was like 13 as a lead in it, you know, so it's good cast and everything. But I was like sitting there watching, like, we don't have like bangers like this anymore. And then it's like we used to have like a lot of S-tier TV shows and then F-tier TV shows. Like you'd sit there and you'd just turn on some shit, and you'd be watching, you know, reruns of Munford and Sons or something. But then you'd have like-stanford and Sons? Stanford and Sons.
SPEAKER_01Mumford and Sons is the band.
SPEAKER_03But then you'd have the Sopranos would come in and electrocute the the all America lost Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones. Like, there's a reason why those things are so big and they're in the zeitgeist. Even now they're in his light guys. To the fact that Game of Thrones season eight is known as like how you get a ruin of show, The Walking Dead when it first came out, and another cultivator of talent. People got to work for a long time. Everyone was happy. Streaming came, you need safe bets, you don't want to risk on original IP. So then you have like House of the Dragon, which listen, I like Game of Thrones. I have all the hard covers, I read the books, love it. I'm not gonna be upset with more Game of Thrones concept, but like 25 spin offs of the Walking Dead, three spin off series of Breaking Bad.
SPEAKER_01I mean, like, this is I mean, I will say to I mean, I guess to just counteract your point, um, there are shows. That are big hits that are out there. But now that there are streaming, there's so many options. You know, the first one that that jumps out is like White Lotus to me. You know, that's a huge show.
SPEAKER_03As I said before, there's like a bunch of S's and Fs. Yeah. Right? It was either S or an F. And then you got a lot of middle and C's. I think now there's too much good. There's a bunch of B's and A's.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right? To where shows like adults or adulting, whatever that show from Hulu is, which is apparently hilarious. No one fucking talks about it. Or I remember when I had rec reviews, the first scene we reviewed was that uh who's that rapper? They made we are the he's like this white dude that makes a bunch of Jack Harlow? Like he no, he makes a bunch of goofy ones. Like he's at there and he's switched by with Chris Brown. Um what?
SPEAKER_01A white rapper?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, everyone I woke up Chris Breezy is the name that I've done. Oh, little dickie in the song. Yes. So is that sh show Dave?
SPEAKER_01Dave, yeah, yeah, Dave, Dave, Dave.
SPEAKER_03Which is also a banger. Like there's a but then it's like lost in the sauce of so much good content because a show like Dave would probably have the same he will remember it the same year under something like, you know, name that name that show. That I'm like, I'm forgetting the shows that were solid. Um what's that show that everyone talks of? Firefly. Like something like that where it's like, you know, people would like it and people would talk about like there's show out more seasons, and something like Dave would have been a one to two season hit, and it'd been gone for this, and like it'll be still being this, I guess, and disgust. Uh it is a shame. It's like we're in this horrible time for the industry where fucking nothing else get made, and then there's Indies being churning down to Tony, which will never give seen and never make money. And then there's this gluttonous monopolies. Disney is the one who I hate the most. I fucking hate that company. Um they own everything. And now they just they want to make safe safe bets with it all. When you can do so much cool shit with all of it. Um now we're having just no talent, and we are forcing 87-year-old Ian McKellen to come back and play Magneto instead of just recasting the character because we need the safe bet. We need Hugh Jacqueline's 60s to come back and play Wolverine. Fuck that. We're gonna have Harrison Ford, who's old as shit. He's so old, his whole grumpy shtick has now turned into like a kindness, happy believe-in-yourself shtick. Like what the fuck's going on here?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think just to wrap this up, I think the main takeaway is we gotta we gotta believe in Angel Studios and that they're gonna bring that new talent out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What I what I need to do is my my moral of the story, if I remember how I got his fucking rant, is because it's all AID agent. If you're an old actor, if you're above the age of 80, and you're an actor, hang it up, hang up the tweets, call it a day, call it a career. You want to remember fondly, stop having people drag your corpse out to these films and putting your life at risk. Harrison Ford got hurt in doing an Indiana Jones movie, he broke his hip or some shit. Let's just stop. Let's what are we doing? And also, if you're a production company, you have a duty to not drag old ass fucking back to the future. I saw his ass in another fucking movie. Who?
SPEAKER_01Christopher Lloyd?
SPEAKER_05Yes.
SPEAKER_01The last thing that I saw him be in was a spirit Halloween movie. I'm not even joking. He played like the bad guy or some shit in it.
SPEAKER_03I love Christopher Lloyd. Yeah, exactly. I saw this clip from the piranha movie going viral of him and in again. But this man is also 87. He's the same age as Ian McKellen. Christopher Royd, Ian McKellen, Dick Van Dyke, call it a day.
SPEAKER_01No, Dick Van Dyke's a hundred.
SPEAKER_03I know. We only see any of you ever again. I when I when I get that notification that he passed away just like Dolly Pardon and everyone else passed away last week, I'm like, damn. I'll be upset. Oh move on. Wish you the best. Have a great retirement. Listen, if you're in your 70s, start start getting ready to ring that bell and call a quest. You can play an old mentor role once or twice, and then you're done. Like, this is I'm I'm over this shit. Like, it's because you're taking away work from young people. We can no longer cycle the industry, and now we're gonna be sitting there when I'm fucking 60. What about a cameo? I'm gonna be watching Tom Holland DAs playing a high school kid. And that's the movie pissed me off.
SPEAKER_01Get ready, dude. Get ready.
SPEAKER_03That's the movie that pissed me off. I'm gonna be watching fucking Jink, excuse me, in her 50s, playing a 25-year-old Lovingtress and her Loving, and she's gonna be in a romance with Tom Holland. And I'm gonna I'm gonna wanna take the gun and shoot myself in the head. Alright, on that note.
SPEAKER_01Holy fuck. That's a crazy way to end it. But yeah, on that note, uh, thanks for listening. Thanks for uh staying loyal to this. Our numbers keep going up crazy, like weirdly. I don't know. We don't really do anything to promote this. We don't really we don't obviously we don't keep an actual schedule. Um so yeah, thanks for everybody for listening. Yeah, okay, okay, hope you guys enjoyed.