SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome to Cat's Cast. Sit back and enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cat's Cast. Your boy Quinn. Kevin is out. He's uh on stat shooting. So uh it's gonna be me and special guest, Kyle. Kyle's back on the cast. Let's go, boy.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

It's been too long. Last time I was in New York, and now I just moved back to the area. Um excited. Always excited to be on. A huge fan. Uh first time caller, uh big listener. You're stupid.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Um, what was I gonna say? Um no, but yeah, as Kyle said though, he he just moved back from New York. Um, and we were gonna kind of just go over like the differences. Uh well, first of all, Kyle, how's it being how's it, how is it being back in DC?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah, it's cool. I really like it. I mean, obviously we've hung out and talked about it. There's just more get more bang for your buck. You're able to live a little bit differently. New York's just very expensive. Um, we shot one little documentary um about a comedian over here. I would say the difference that I've noticed so far is just the amount of people who are doing the same thing in New York. It's not a it's not a good or a bad thing, it's just it's a lot easier to be like uh what's the term, like a big fish in a small pond out here, whereas like in New York it kind of get lost in the shuffle.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Absolutely. And I and I feel like I have this conversation a lot. Everyone's like, yeah, like I want to move to like New York or LA or Atlanta or something, and it's like, dude, like why would you want to fucking move down there or move wherever to just be another pawn in the chess game instead of like you know, uh whatever the another analogy is, but um you gotta really have your shit going to stand out, and even then, um, but I mean there are pros, obviously, like we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

There's just more actors, everything it's it's more understood. Everything is just kind of like right there for you. Like you could just be at a park and people will be having a whole lighting ray or whatever, they'll be shooting, like it's just kind of normal in New York. Absolutely, yeah. Um, but yeah, I would say that's the biggest difference. Like, I feel like when we go out here, like we just shot the little documentary, it's like who are like looking and shit, like what the fuck is this? But like in New York, like no one really bats an eye. Like, I remember just walking through like the park, and there'd just be like all these random, like people filming just like random stuff. So um that's been the biggest difference, but uh most of it's the same. I mean, it doesn't really matter where you are. If you make a good movie, it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

For sure. I mean, I think the biggest difference from what I've heard from you is how much quieter and like chill DC is compared to New York, which isn't a surprise by any means.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Um Yeah, it's it's just interesting because I grew up here and I remember feeling like DC was super loud and chaotic, and now I feel like it's so slow. Yeah. It's crazy. But um, yeah, no, it's interesting. And then I guess like I've only seen like in New York, I I don't think I could go really a couple weeks without seeing a production, you know, they'll just be out. Uh I've seen the news here once or twice, but it's more like news-based stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Well, it's all like government shit or news stuff. Like it's all like it's not like films being filmed here, and half the reason of that is it's just like it's it's DC doesn't want fucking, you know, government. Yeah, it's all political. So um yeah, yeah, it's it's whack. I wish that there was a bigger film scene in DC, but there never will be, and um, it's just a part of part of the game. So you gotta travel to Baltimore or Richmond. Those are like the two areas around here that kind of get like the most work.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Um it's kind of cool. There's like a community aspect uh when smaller, like you're like, okay, like we're the DC film guys, like you kind of know everybody. Oh, absolutely. Like in New York, there's really not that. It's just there's so many people doing it. Um but yeah, that's the big that's it is a big difference too. It's like I feel like in DC, even like in advertising, it's like, oh, these are the DC advertising people. Like everybody knows everybody because there's literally like 30 heads of advertising in DC. Um, but yeah, I think I think it's cool. I I really I don't know. New York is crazy because it's just so competitive. Do you think do you know what's better or worse?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

I really don't. I mean, it's I think to to anybody's point that they would make, well, there's more opportunities in New York. There's more chances to get on a set in New York, quote unquote. Maybe not. I mean, you're probably gonna have to be somebody on like a union thing unless you're gonna do something like very like small budget, like indie or like student film, um, which isn't like a bad thing, but it's just like it's not gonna be the big productions up there. Yeah. Um God, fuck, I was gonna say something. This happens all the time to me. Um ask me a question, you're like, do you think? Oh, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say like I I know you sort of, or at least in New York, you were doing somewhat film-ish stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Um arts adjacent stuff.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Exactly. Do you think that you would ever get into like film full time, or you have like no interest in like that?

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Um I think I have no interest. Yeah. No, that's fair. I think I learned that we've we've done like so much fun stuff, and like I just kind of learned that I mean directing was so just not my thing. Um, it was a great experience, it just wasn't for me, and it was good. I like learned that it was just it's not my thing. I kind of like writing, and like even just we were talking about like unit advertising. I think I've really realized that I like having like a collaborative partner. Yes. That's huge, that's super huge for me. And like we've I mean, we've we've talked about them before. That's kind of what how it worked best. So um no, I love doing like I think that's why the documentaries are kind of cool, because it it feels like something that there's not a lot of pre-pro. So it's very raw and human, it's very like us, it's like very our personalities, and um yeah, it doesn't feel like yeah, because like as you know, like that shit takes so much work.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

So well, I think I I think to give you some more credit, I mean directing obviously wasn't for you after our last big thing, and I I think you just were like, Yeah, I'm done. Which fair enough. Directing is very hard and it's mentally draining, and and uh you have to make a lot of decisions, and if you're not good at that, or like whatever. But I think that you not only are you a a a great writer, but you're you are oh my god, can I speak? You are also a great producer, you are very good at producing. Yeah, uh appreciate that. Like you're very good at like figuring shit out and like making everything come together.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah, I like that aspect. I think that that's a good point. I never really thought about that, but I like that aspect more because I've always liked working with people and finding the talent and like finding the location and kind of being on that end of it is more fun for me. Absolutely. I would like to direct, obviously, if it's you know, you and me, but I think I learned also that was kind of interesting, and I mean people on this podcast might find it interesting. When I was on the set for the um uh hearing palm trees, I kind of realized that I don't really think visually, if that makes sense. Like everyone on set could kind of like, even the actors could kind of like visualize the blocking or visualize everything. And I realized that I think more in words, and I think that's why like okay, I'll go write the script. But um yeah, it's just an interesting, interesting like realization that I'm I'm sure because like people would come up to you and you guys would be able to like be like, oh no, no, like this is where like you kind of knew already like two scenes ahead, you were able to kind of visualize it. Yes. Um so yeah, no props. I think it's just it's a but to your point, yeah. I really like the assembling the squad.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Yeah, which is which is another like that's a talent in itself, like being able to get shit done, you know. Yeah, obviously, like you're sending a whole bunch of emails, you're having to like respond to all these people, you know, make sure everybody's there on time. I mean, some of those things are like other people's priorities in the on a production, but uh just underrated, underrated.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

I'm like I'm shocked at like growing up, you know, you only hear about directors. I mean, you do hear about a couple producers, but it's kind of crazy how like growing up, I was always just like, oh, the producer is just the guy who threw money onto the project. No, sometimes it is, sometimes I guess like if it's a big name or whatever, but um, I'm just surprised that like even in advertising, there's like a product, there's like the creatives, there's the accounts, and then there's like the producers. Yeah, and the producers don't get to make any of the creative stuff, but they're doing so much work, and it kind of sucks. Like, yeah, they don't really get as much shine attention, yeah, attention or like recognition, but they're really doing like so much.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

I feel like I feel like producers get a lot of shine within maybe their field, like the industry. Yeah. So like, you know, people exactly like they're not front and center, but like behind the scenes are like, damn, like you pulled off that fucking Steven Spielberg movie, or like whatever it is, or I mean not the female.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yeah, definitely a level of respect. Like when people would come to the office, like they would kind of go right to the producer, and like they obviously know everybody, they're the one who's like setting all that stuff up. So yeah, I I could see that. And you produced James? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Yeah, definitely. Me, Kevin, and Alex, we all produce James. Um, you know, I it's it's it's tough. I I think what me and Kevin were talking about I think off pod off the podcast, I believe maybe we talked about a little bit on here, but like um just like having somebody on set that isn't in in the the filming part of the whole film.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Like somebody that like we could talk to, whether they're on set or like remote, and basically just be like, hey, like this is like what's going on, and if something needs to be handled, they can go handle it. Um, I think it gets too complicated when the producers are also working on the film and like doing like their own department, like lighting, camera, yeah, AD. Um, you know, it just it gets to be very overwhelming.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

What would something like that be? Like, I'm just trying to picture like a task. Like, say you had a producer who wasn't um hands-on at all, they were just you know, at home or or just say remotely, like what just be pre-production stuff, or or when you're actually filming.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

So mostly pre and post-production, yeah, I would say. Um, but then like it like when like the you could have somebody that would produce basically like make sure like all like the food is there like on time, and like and like if there is like an issue on set, like you would be kind of like the go-to person, like where somebody it's like, hey, like either like we're gonna let this person rock or like you're gonna fire them, it's gonna be up to you at like the end of the day. But like you know, for us on set, it was like so hard to kind of like do everything. Um yeah, but yeah, overall it was it was a great experience. I do actually like producing, but it's not my it's not my favorite, I guess, but I I do enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah, it's it's it's it's a lot of behind the scenes work, um, but it is rewarding. But um, yeah, that's cool. I I know that like I just like I said, like growing up, I didn't really think about it at all. But as I've been working in advertising and then with you guys, it's like shit is a lot of work. So you think for the next one you will hire like a producer who's just kind of like independent of the movie?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

I think so. I think that's that's kind of like the consensus of just having one person, and honestly, like your name was even brought up, just like just even being like remote and just like helping out, and like if anything does go wrong, it's like, well, yeah, let's call Kyle, he can kind of figure shit out. He can talk to you know, if there is a problem between two people or a department, it's like he can talk to them and you report back to us. Um, so something like that I think would definitely be super helpful just to um smooth things over so then it not everything is falling onto us, because that's definitely the biggest issue that we had. Um Yeah, you just you just need to focus on just making the movie. Exactly. Instead of you're you're worried about oh, who's gonna get fucking crafty today? Like when is the food gonna show up?

SPEAKER_00 12:49

When's it yeah, that's insane. That's crazy. That's so much stuff to worry about.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah, so it's just it's not fun, and obviously, like there's other departments that like help out, um, yeah, which you don't even think about, but yeah, they obviously help out and stuff. But I guess all that being said, like making films and like feature films or even like a short film if you're doing it like for real and like not just like run and gun. Um you know it's super hard, but that's also like half the reason why I think I and I know that you do, you hinted at it, is like we make these short docs, and it's like so much fun and so easy to kind of just like pick up the camera, like we think something's interesting, we go and shoot it. Now, whether it's good or not, we don't know. Like, we don't have a game plan, it's just kind of like let's see how the story unfolds as we're filming.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Um, we haven't done a ton of them. We did the Egon one and we we did one with the comedian.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

So for so for anybody that doesn't know, I think it's on our Instagram, Nova Cat Films, on Instagram. Um, there's a there's a short film on there called Still Running the Egon Dell Story that me and Kyle uh you know directed and produced, and I shot it and Kyle wrote it or whatever. Um yeah, but like we did that in like 36 hours basically, like like shooting wise, like really 24 hours if you really count it. Like we started at like noon on like a Thursday. We came back home, we edited Thursday night. We were like, we're missing some things. We went back Friday morning, we got what we needed, we came back, finished it, we sent it to our uh sound mixer who was in Spain uh on vacation, and then Sunday we released the thing. Um so all that being said, like we weren't really expecting it to be anything. I think we were just like, oh, it'll be whatever, but it turned out to be really great, you know. We we won a couple awards for it um off of something that we kind of just fucking dicking around on. Uh yeah. And then yeah, so then and then most recently, yeah, like Kyle was just saying, we did one for this comedian that we know.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Um I think we can say his name, Jackson. Yeah, Jackson Henry. Uh one of our friends back in the day, and uh I hadn't seen him in a minute, but I moved back, and I I know that like stand-up comedy, the first one was a photography store, and then this one was like, you know, we're just trying to find interesting things. And I think to your original question, like I think I learned on set that like, and maybe it's just because I have a different job outside of it, and I was doing other things, but it's like the pre-production and all of that stuff and handling people on set isn't really what was fun to me when we were younger. Like, what got me into film was like we would just go over to your house and then just like make up shit and just kind of like film the moment. Yes, whatever that was. Like that could have just been like an improv or like a music video. So it's kind of funny that it's kind of like gone full circle because that is really what shopping is the most fun to me. Like, even when we would work on movies, we would just kind of like we're not gonna storyboard every single second. It's kind of like the moment of what's happening. I don't know why we like that, but that's just been the way we've always been. So it's kind of funny that it's yeah, it's full circle, and these are like really just run and gun. Uh yeah, there's like no sound person. There's because I grew up watching this shit, like Vice and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Well, I think I think why I mean you work so well in that aspect is because like you were just saying, like, it is basically what we used to do, just on like a little bit more serious scale with the better camera and and so on and so forth. Um but yeah, I I think I I don't know. I mean, obviously, not to spoil anything, but like me and Kyle have been trying to like come up with a story, and Kyle has like scripts here and there to do like short films to see if we can make something again. Um but I uh but I there's a part of me that that thinks like our bread and butter is like these documentaries, um you know, like because it's easy, it's just it's so fucking like you know, and but the but we're also not trying to make like an hour and a half documentary, like it's it's just like maybe I guess if like the subject was interesting enough, we maybe we might, but I think overall uh no, I have a lot of fun with them.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I don't know if they're easy. The more and more I think about it, I think they're easy for us because it's just like so well, it just depends on the subject, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Every subject is gonna be different, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

I just think naturally though, it is like kind of like I said, like what we grew up doing. So I don't know if you just gave a camera to any person, they could just do the same thing either. So I don't know if it's necessarily easy. I just think for us it's very natural because for whatever reason, I don't know. We just kind of grew up doing that type of stuff. Um whereas like I'm sure other people grew up maybe like being really meticulous and doing like every single shot framed, and that was just the way they worked. But we've always kind of just been go with the flow people.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

So I mean I can't imagine like fifth graders or like middle schoolers like doing like a shot, like a storyboard for like maybe I'm not saying that they couldn't, but like you know, yeah, there might be some out there, but yeah, it's probably rare.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

But um, yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just because we've known each other so long and it's like kind of what like drew us, at least me for sure, like to doing film in the first place. So it kind of brings out like that inner child a little bit. It's like, oh like, yeah, this is like there's really no worries.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

There's really no like well, there's no worries when there's when there's no money involved, right? It's very much like shooting James or shooting uh hearing palm trees or golden way different. There's there's money on the line, there's pressure, all of a sudden it's like yo, like we gotta get this shit done like now.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Yeah, like that's why I think you should keep both, because I think it's lovely to have the to have the documentary outlet. Um, but yeah, obviously uh the other things are just they're both good in their own way. Because I think the other ones for you especially are really rewarding because you love the process. I think I that's another thing I learned. Like, I didn't really love the process. I loved seeing the movie at the end, but like I didn't really like the process of all the work that went into it. Yeah, and that's when you know like your heart's not really like fully, fully there. I like certain parts of the process, like we talked about, like I like the production or like kind of being around people and doing all that stuff. Um but yeah, they're both different, but very I I know they're rewarding in different ways.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Well, I think they're absolutely they're definitely rewarding in different ways. Like when we did the Egon one, like we didn't know like what it was even gonna be about. Like, we were just kind of like just like let's just go over there for a day and just film him. We were honestly kind of just dicking around with it, like we we had no intention of I think we hoped, but we were like, whatever, if it's nothing, it's nothing. But like it turned out to be something like so incredible, you know, in my point of view. Like people could watch it and be like, the fuck is this? Like, dude, like it doesn't even like yeah, but like to me, like for no budget, no plan, no nothing. Like we just went over there, we just filmed this guy, interviewed him, interviewed like a couple people that came in, and like that was it. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

It's it's one of those things that's like there's something I don't know, like there's something like poetic about it. That's why I think I like it too, because it's just like flows, and it's just like whatever happens, happens. And yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I grew up watching that shit. Like I loved watching Vice, and I know you watch like a lot of docs and stuff, like I was always on YouTube watching that type of stuff. So for me, there's just like nothing I don't know, like more raw than that. Like you're literally just filming somebody.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah, and there's there's no agenda, it's kind of just like do your thing, we'll ask you some questions in between. Yeah, and uh but I a lot of documentaries have a plan, like they have a motive, unfortunately. It's like, well, we're gonna like kind of have like this take on it, or like we're gonna.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

But that's and set out set interviews.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, we just kind of are like like for the Jackson one, like a bunch of the like the comedians that were at, like the thing we were like, hey, like you just want to be like interviewed, like real quick. Like, we didn't know who was gonna be there, we didn't know any of these people, like we didn't even know if like this like the space was gonna even like allow us to come in with this huge camera and uh all this. Bottom level foods, yeah. And the bottom in this on the second, if if you're ever wondering, it's called uh two stories down, I believe. Uh two levels down, two levels down. So if you're ever looking for uh something to do, it's on Wisconsin Ave in DC. Uh at in the second floor, the second floor in the garage, the second floor in the garage parking lot, if I can say that. Yeah. Um, it's just like it's like speakeasy. I mean to uh you know, it won't be out by the time you hear this, but it'll be close to being done. Um yeah. But uh yeah, it was just it was super interesting just to even like see that and like the characters, like random people, you know, were like, oh like I want to be interviewed. I want to like be a part of this even though they had no idea who we were like what we were even you know we'd just be like oh we're just making a doc about a friend or this place here. So yeah I don't know I I I love that aspect of like documentary making um yeah or just filmmaking in general it's like the like you said the both outlets are super cool. Yeah. And they both can be I don't know they're both rewarding in like their own ways. One is more spontaneous and one is more like planned out and as perfect as it as it's going to be but there's also something beautiful about that. It's like you you have gotten everything that you wanted and all of a sudden all those pieces are coming together.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I also think there's something interesting about the documentaries because like if you just went and found some co-director on backstage it wouldn't be the same. There's something beautiful about like our friendship and doing it. You know what I mean? So it's also kind of interesting in that aspect. Like I feel like if you just found some other Joe Schmo director co-director on backstage and you try to do the same doc Eagon doc, it wouldn't be the same.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Well no, because they'd have like their own agenda. They'd have like their own like thoughts on like exactly what the story's gonna be or like what we should ask whatever it might be. But yeah me and you have known each other since first grade so it's been very much like we know exactly what are what are each other are thinking and how we work.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Exactly same page and I just the moment I feel like it would be so different if it was like like you said like oh like we have to get this question or that question or we have to get this person. Um yeah because it kind of just happens like with Egon one there was a woman at the store she just got interviewed but there was like no plan.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

No there was no plan and like she you were just asking her questions and she was like perfect for it. And and the one of the coolest things was like when when we got selected for for one of the film festivals they showed it in a movie theater Egon hadn't been to a movie theater since like the early 2000s or late 90s and so like the next so like 20 something years later 25 years later maybe like he gets to see himself on a movie theater screen so like to me like that's what like makes me even happier is like he got to experience that moment.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah I guess that's what's cool about those movies to me because they are like so human and like that's what I like that's why I said like poetic like it is like a it's like a home video honestly it's really like the closest thing to home video that you can really have nowadays. Absolutely absolutely it's basically that it's basically like what home videos used to be like you know you'd see your parents filming you like ride your bike like there's no plan there's no script it's kind of just happening and that doesn't really happen as much anymore like even it's kind of interesting when you think on TikTok like it's not really everything's planned.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Oh absolutely everything's planned everything's very fake or performative now even like I don't know I feel like even be because we have cell phones and like people do shoot home movies on like their cell phones but it only be like a minute or maybe like five minutes if like they're lucky like I have family videos my dad would be shooting for like 30 45 minutes of like us like playing around or like whatever it might be and it's just like you see like the real human yeah in in that's kind of me growing up and my parents so yeah see your point yeah um yeah there it's it's like you know as real as it gets because at least for me and you we don't let people be fake yeah and I I think that's I guess the only thing on TikTok is like you know when you see just people filming like a subway or like in New York or something that's still kind of real but even then there's still something like everyone knows there's a camera out and like I don't know there's just something about it like with social media now.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

But I think it's cool that like yeah I think we're still learning. Um like you know there were two different experiences so still just learning on how to I think that's the hardest part is learning how to adapt to whatever moment you're in. And I think we talked about you just really have to find like a specific like moment or experience if somebody's like doing something um and that they feel like like we were talking about earlier like when the camera when they know the camera's on them people can sometimes not act as natural as possible.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Right. But I think that we're very good at calling out like that bullshit kind of it's like yo stop like doing like this thing. Like just be yourself dude. Or like or if they are like we'll just cut it out of like the film completely and we'll find the real and raw moments. Yeah. But yeah no obviously like I'm I don't want anybody to sit to to listen to this and think like we got this shit like figured out we're just talking about our experiences and like how we feel when it comes to shooting documentaries versus like these like you know planned out films. Whether sm small or short or feature films or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Yeah they're all just they're all very different and um yeah they're fun but weird because like I don't even remember why the Egon one happened. Like it's not like we sat down and we're like oh we should do like these little docks and no what happened and just it just kind of happened it's weird.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Well I I mean we we literally were like it was over winter break for you because I think you were finishing grad school maybe maybe not I don't remember this is 24. I don't remember 24 would you have been in grad school then no you okay um winter of 24? Yeah um like if it's like yeah if it's but yeah yeah like like like Christmas time 24 doesn't matter doesn't matter no I was in New York okay so you're already in New York so you just so you must so you came back just for Christmas then but like we we went and visited Egon like two days before Christmas and he was just making us laugh and I remember like you turned to me and you're like dude we should just shoot like a short doc about Egon and like the shop while like I'm home and I was like okay bet say less. So the day after Christmas or whatever it was I believe I think it was the day after Christmas yeah we just went over there and we just started shooting. We didn't tell him we were even coming we just like showed up with all like the stuff we're like yo like we're just gonna film you do your thing and of course like he like dicks around for like 45 minutes with us and then finally he kind of just starts like working and like then that's like when like the good stuff comes out and and that's just how it happened. You know we didn't thankfully we know Egon well enough where we can just be like hey we're here just to film you do your thing yeah but yeah it was like a perfect it was a perfect moment but um yeah no it's cool there are even opportunities like you know you could you could travel you could find interesting weird occupations or different things um well I think a lot of cool times no sorry I don't mean to cut you off I was just gonna say I think that's one of the fun things that we do is like I'm not saying we're the first once again not trying to sit here and like gas us up but like we'll find like weird like little like intricate things like maybe somebody that's just like like a cook or something maybe we'll do next and like we'll just like film him for like 24 hours basically and like whatever we get we get and it's just like obviously there's there's there's been documentaries about like cooking or like a chef or something but like yeah not somebody that just kind of just like follows them like around and just shows like what it's like for 24 hours for them.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Yeah whatever it might be I'm just scripted. Definitely would be more scripted.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Yes with us it's just more real they would have like interviews probably set up questions less like yeah like these are really just like hey record home video style yeah like whatever we think like if we have a question let's just ask them yeah otherwise it's just basically a struman show good afternoon good evening and good night yeah but well on that note we're gonna wrap it up here um thank you Kyle for hopping on this episode appreciate you I could talk for another hour dude all right we'll get you on another one then um all right um yeah make sure everybody uh I don't know follow us on whatever podcast page you listen to Apple Music Spotify also follow the Instagram and uh subscribe to the YouTube channel NovaCat Films on YouTube um NovaCats Nova Cats and um yeah everybody uh I don't know dude we'll talk to you guys later see you again have a blessed see you again see you again dude what the fuck am I wiskly put on without you all right anyways before